You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer.
~Frank Zappa
I’ve many expat friends, most of my friends here are expats. Most of them are nice. Online, I also read a lot of the expat blogs, they’re also nice, with one distinct characteristic: most of them are miserable.
Expats in Indonesia are the most miserable people. I feel sorry for them.
[this post is a bit lengthy and deals almost exclusively with expat living in Indonesia, globalised world and common sense in general. if none of them describes your interest, then scroll down and maybe you find other things more interesting for today]
I love this country and I love Jakarta and I know that many expat friends of mine feel the same way (granted, many of my friends are a little wrong in the head and aren’t to be trusted with sensible decisions). Not that I’m too crazy about it either, most of the time, my dog is the only thing keeping me here – too much hassle in moving countries with a dog.
I’d move back to London in an instant or anywhere else – given a little more thinking time - for that matter. There’s always an upside even in the birthplace of Boredom (hint: try Boston, Lincolnshire).
I’m sad to hear that so many people are finding their most miserable life here in Indonesia. I’m afraid it doesn’t do justice to the place. I need to ask, what is it then? Why do you bother at all? I’m asking in the most sincerest form of question here, why do you bother staying around if the place is so awful?
I understand that the traffic is shit, the language is funny, the officials aren’t very serious looking and the can openers don’t work, but really the upside works in your favour most of the time, no? The girls are hot and great in bed, the mistresses are discrete, mansions are properly staffed with maids and gardeners and your stupidest drunken moments are always forgotten and forgiven.
The same song gets tiring after a while, Indonesians are racist: Probably true, although I will argue for redefinition of racism. White boys get the hottest chicks at all time. Indonesians very definition of pretty is white. Expat in the same position always earn more than the displaced little brown guy. The ugliest redneck with beer belly from the rural outback will get the most preferred treatment next to your regular native chap. It’s affirmative action on steroid.
Next, Indonesians are Moslems and Moslems get nuts: get this, if your preference is Catholic radicals, you should try Belfast. Indonesia is the worlds largest Moslem country, there’re lots of Moslems here (about 200m on the last count). Some are nuts and others are totally insane, sure, and they do blow people up at times, but really, they do that too in Belfast.
If Indonesians don’t like Playboy, there’s little you can do to tell them to like it. Indonesians weren’t in Woodstock, imagine having to watch Bollywood all the time. If Indonesians have prayers at school, that’s because democracy here never had church secessionist drive, there never was separation of church and state. The Constitution here was written by people that didn’t have last names.
If Indonesians have a dislike for the Israelis, well, Indonesian read papers like everybody else and have none of collective guilt of the holocaust. It has nothing to do with holocaust, or the Jewish solution or even Fox News, to dismiss the attitude for anti-Semitism is insulting to their understanding of the world. Not everybody in the world is bent on fixing the wrongs of Hitler. Terrorism isn’t an exclusively Western problems, there’re more people killed around the brown part of the world than anywhere else. Labelling 220m people as racist, hypocrites and anti-Semites just shows that your language is as bad as your cultural literacy.
The perpetual whinging gets a bit old. The world have different flavours and we all miss home. We miss the noisy sirens of NYC nights and smelly people in the Tube. We miss the blonde jokes and swearing in complicated multi-syllabic compositions. You’d want to queue and incestuous royals. You want proper paper with proper punctuation and policies that make sense. We need convictions to share and third world countries to invade.
Well, get this: you’re not home.
People do things differently away from home. Different values, different lives, different languages and crazy enough, sometimes even different logic. Either learn to live with it – and make the best of it – or we’ll be better off bugger off home and forget the chauffeured corporate cars. Bitching on about how things aren’t like the way they are back home is stating too much of the obvious.
If you read papers back home, then you’ll know that slapping people around to make them do what you do they way you do it back home doesn’t really work. People go home in body bags that way. You can bring your own painting to a guest house, just don’t tell them to put it in their living room.
When people from different colour do things differently, it’s not racism, it’s just different. I’m not sure what to call that, but shipping brown people for sale was racism. Putting jews in gas chambers was racism. Racism is a word to use with care.
When things work differently from the way you expect them to work, it’s not hypocrisy: it’s just different.
Hypocrisy is when you preach two contradictory things to two different people. Preaching the moral high ground for common good is just good politics and Western countries are masters of both these arts.
It’s not about right or wrong and that is a different subject entirely, but it is a difference that will take some learning to understand. As in most cultures of the world, the burden is on the guest to behave.
For the last 500 years the West have been going around drawing the map of good behaviour, the next 500 years will be for everybody to learn how everybody else do different things.
I just feel sorry that you guys having such miserable time learning.
Wednesday, July 26, 2006
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What can I say, he's completely right guys. When we become an expat we tend to degrade the way the country we live in serving us.
I should say, even regardless of the content this is one of the post I like the most.
*to emphasize that boobs are certainly not on my top list of subject*
sounds like a fun place, jakarta.
I’ve many expat friends, most of my friends here are expats..
Scary... the standard opening line " I ain't racist some of my best friends are black..but..."
Actually silverlines ..no he's not right..T/S is just grumpy this week because some people didn't agree with him.
Sorry T/S As an expat here, I love lots about Indonesia but if you want to read all is great and rosy with fantastic beaches, perhaps a travel brochure.
At the risk of losing a "friend" lets try some of these:
"The same song gets tiring after a while, Indonesians are racist: Probably true, although I will argue for redefinition of racism"... Ask a chinese (Don't even even mention the 60s)
"Catholic radicals, you should try Belfast." I am not big wraps on anyone who claims to speak for God but last I checked people from Belfast did not blow up kids in Bali or some poor bugger on a train in Spain.
"If Indonesians don’t like Playboy, there’s little you can do to tell them to like it." eer then don't buy it or make it illegal BUT don't hand your rights over to a bunch of thugs.
"If Indonesians have a dislike for the Israelis, well,".. what can I say..its called balance
"Labelling 220m people as racist, hypocrites and anti-Semites" who did that??
"Expat in the same position always earn more than the displaced little brown guy" ..Now why would that be? Could it be that the "little brown guy got shafted by his government and never got a decent education in the first place, do you really think that companies (and shareholders)like paying the excess wages for expats.
Sigh..Its always the "bules fault" (or some elses fault) Look to India, Singapore, to a lessor extent Malaysia for examples of "the little brown guy" (hate that term but it yours not mine)standing up with the help of his government with education and opportunity.
"but shipping brown people for sale was racism." what is this?? you dislike Arabs now, they shipped them (still do in some cases and the yanks bought them.
"People go home in body bags that way" Nasty comment and could equally apply in Indonesia over the past 40 years.
"The ugliest redneck with beer belly from the rural outback will get the most preferred treatment next to your regular native chap"
yea true..bule's fault or that fact that for life for women can be very very tough, poor education, no support if something goes wrong in family life, rare career prospects..So who is really guilty here the bule or a place that offers so little support to its women that the redneck looks good by comparison (and thats a really sad indictment)
etc etc..All in all a surprising and fairly nasty post. I am sorry you have taken such offence but for the record who is to say that Indonesia is not my home.
Anyway, I hope you get over your current spleen attack (ENOS PERHAPS), I am always willing to agrue with you and you should not take it personal.
Lastly, a lot of my counter points are "over the top" but hey if thats what it takes.
you don't know me and you never do, and if you're accusing me of being a racist, well, lots of people around will really laugh at you and i'll let people who knows me be the judge of that.
i know that this is really a tiring issue and you're probably too determined to argue to really get anything useful out.
you said it's nothing personal, but really, you said i'm grumpy because people don't agree with me? heck, didn't you see how many people agree on Keira's tummy? you can get all personal all you want man, let's not play around with words.
the point i'm trying to make is that the word RACISM, TERRORISM, HYPOCRITES and other Fox buzzwords are just getting abused and overused too much and it lost its meaning, going around pointing at entire countries will never get you anywhere.
i never mentioned names or point at any specifics, i'm not sure where you think i said you said any of these. i'm speaking generally, just read the expat accounts around. many of them.
the poor bugger in Spain, well ETA does that. Everybody does that. Thousands died everyday of injustice, invasion and oppression in the world, stop making a big fuss about it. one dead american is the same as one dead israli and one dead indian. they're all dead. none's better than the other, if you think the bullets tell the difference between Cahtolic and Moslems or Hindhus, then obviously, you never tried one.
i never for once point that it's the bule's fault - or anyone's fault for that matter. Again, this is the sort of comment that will get me the last laugh. Where do you get this inferiority complex?
Who ever said anything about faults?
The whole redneck picking up chicks, well, if the girls want it, fine, what do i care. I've no problems with that at all and i can't see how it is anyone's fault (really, please do correct my english where i assume it's someone's fault).
I'm not faulting anyone for paying expat salaries, pay them! I benefit from that everytime.
I'm only saying that to point out that it is NOT racism that you're dealing with here. People from different cultures mix and match. period.
As for the Chinese - well, we can argue on that, i still think it's not exactly racism - social clashes happen. Everywhere between any homogenous group, not always that it is a simple racism.
finger pointing with PMS sensitivity using Big Words is exactly my point, it'll get nowhere and only make people feel miserable. I can't blame you and i don't blame you, i'm not even trying to change anybody's mind.
I'm only saying there's a whole lot of things to learn and we might as well have fun doing it. it's your right to be miserable.
I am not at all offended. I feel sorry. I'm glad you call this place home, coz i don't. Maybe you can be a good host and tell me what you like of this place, i've heard enough of things we all hate.
Lighten up, chill out, i'm here for fun.
PS: If i sound grumpy it's likely because i'm pregnant (see post from last week).
here's a useful link (quote):
The rhetoric of demonisation is racist, but the politics of exclusion is economic: a prelude to creating a peripatetic underclass of international untermenschen .
Once, they demonised the blacks to justify slavery. Then they demonised the "coloureds" to justify colonialism. Today, they demonise asylum seekers to justify the ways of globalism. And, in the age of the media, of spin, demonisation sets out the parameters of popular culture within which such exclusion finds its own rationale - usually under the guise of xenophobia, the fear of strangers.
Poverty is the new black,
A Sivanandan
T/s
Sorry was not inferring you were racist...just pointing out its a dodgy line to start out with..
As for "chill out" you can't throw a baited hook out there and not expect a bite!!
BTW.. I am happy, why? probably because I get to vent off here.
As for the rest..the title of your post infers the rest..
PMS ??
BIG WORDS?
I will leave it there, I did write (actually stole some nice stuff today on my post)
this is the most toughtful post in the blogsphere i've ever seen. i really like the point about being different.
this, of course, applies to indonesian expats in nyc as well.
:D
i can't see the argument there. i agree with Tree that the word racism and hypocrites are much overused, Bush's war is pushing buzzwords everywhere that it's too easy to disguise disagreement or cultural differences to racism & islamism without addressing the lack of tolerance and understanding between cultures. I'm a white woman in Sub Saharan Africa for humanitarian work in the last four years. you can not ignore that there are differences and certain prejudice that come with your skin colour, naturally being a white woman in this part of the world you would stand out. To accuse the local failings to accomodate my custom isn't exactly racism, even when it makes me feel uncomfortable.
the next 500 years will be for everybody to learn how everybody else do different things.
that's a perfect pitch. the west should learn how to lead without military superiority or policy bullying. it helps to see the world from where you are and not always where you want it to be. afterall, you're a guest.
nice post treespotter, i'll be coming back.
-jeunesse delawder
ahemm...
which country are you thinking of invading right now dear?
oigal: never knew there's such a thing as dodgy lines. Maybe i should've started with that other dodgy line: It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness...
i'm not very good with fishing, always catch the wrong kind of fish.
we're still friends. i just want you to be happy, that's all. maybe you're pregnant, too?
adul: thanks. i guess it applies just about anywhere these days.
jeunesse: hi there, welcome. Funny name? french? just as adul said, i think it applies mostly everywhere. these days.
do, come back. next time i'll have cookies.
sam: i'll start with Singapore and work south from there.
watch it young man, they'll say you're armed for the chinese now. maybe you are racist? you do have penchant for specific colours, i heard?
One of my pet peeves with expats/exiles is the way they blame someone else for "making them move". Some of my expat colleagues do that "the company made me move" - funny thing is I didn't see the gun at their head when they signed.
Life's too short to wallow in misery.
sam: only for black lingerie.
i will not invade singapore on racial ground. i'm just annoyed they have the non-sensical one hour time difference thingy.
grunt: exile? LOLOL we all have our own personal scapegoat don't we. it was a lot easier in the old Greek days when you have a selection of funky gods to choose from.
"we're still friends. i just want you to be happy, that's all. maybe you're pregnant, too.."??
mmmm mystic as well...thats an interesting comment, I will tell you why one day.
And I still disagree with your post..I am not sure how that then sits me down at the table with the BIG BUSH... Com'n Guys gimme a break...are we sure this thread isn't morphing into something else.. because if it is I need time to get off the bus.
a miserable expat in indonesia = a nagging person who is impossible to please wherever whenever.
i'm 30 and white and i understand only half the shite this tree bloke is talking about since i only spent a few weeks in Indonesia. the idea of bunch of overpaid white guys complaining over little brown people treating them with racism strikes me as strange.
i was out in Jakarta to that bar at the Shangri-La and Blok M and i've seen similar venues in Bangkok. The ugly visuals of overpaid bored execs hitting on cheap asian girls were too vivid and repulsive to forget. Who go to Thailand for the local cuisine these days?
half the things these people were doing in their little colonies in the third world you will never be able to get away at home. I spent two breakfast and i heard enough of intoxicated slurs of some bored oil execs on their local counterparts, enuf to tip my Irish temper over.
For these powerful mini tycoons to accuse their local inferior of racism is quite simply, fascinating to watch. Really??
I've Americans look at me funny coz they couldn't get my accent, are they racist too? No, i'm cute and they wanna get laid. Get a frickin life, quick, before your wives finds out.
i've no idea how tough it is to be expat, i'm not one. but i know what i see and it's not racism.
see, this talk gets my blood boil again. ace, quick, start talking about boobs again. i need to calm down.
oigal: check again on whatever it is you read there, in belfast, we don't blow people in bali or madrid.
we blow people in belfast. they bloew up my brother and he was 9. Moslem fuckers or catholic nuts, where's the fucking difference?
you should stop brandishing rubbish around. is it okay for them here because they're white and catholic?
Loonies are everywhere, last thing you wanna do is calling everyone around you nuts, you might just be right and regret it.
Oooppss... sam: temper! Irish fury again. i need maddy around and this will be a lot more fun. Sam, are you not taking your medication again? let's talk boobs.. yes, you've beautiful ones. chill out girl.
God, my whole point was making people happy and see what this is turning into! oigal just like to fish me.
*big hugs*
oigal: i'm telepathic, you should've known that already. never underestimate the power of one.
why is it that everytime, it always ends up with you insisting that you disagreeing without getting into the specifics of which part exactly are you disagreeing with?
not sure what you mean about his post turning into something else. this post is about people feeling strangers in strange land and turned into miserable smurfs all the time.
it's about culture inequality and failures in understanding in a rapidly connected global world.
(that sounds good, doesn't it?)
it's about the abuse of the word RACISM and HYPOCRITES and other Fox buzzwords.
It's about incessant whinging in general and not at all about pregnant women.
which part exactly that you're disagreeing?
again, not at all personal here, it's just you vaguely and vehemently disagreeing had turned into something of a habit of late. it makes things fun tho.
rini: i'll try to be quiet.
PS: gorgeous tummy there. i like you already.
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beautiful? that's the best you can do?
i like the comments better than the writing :D. peace... :-*
dinda
sa: i'm assuming that's the sound of you swallowing little pills?
dinda: how're you??? long time no see!! So glad to see you around. Is that a compliment to my commeting wit or an insult to my writing skill?
Hi Treespotter,
there's a lot of twisted convulted logic in your writing but some good ideas as ever. Even given me a few ideas for future posts!
But how do you deduce expats are miserable?
Just cos we question what is going on in Indonesia? Ever heard of critical thinking?
And if we were back in London (where Jakartass and myself come from) we would be criticizing stuff there too. Why be critical? Well, maybe we actually like Indonesia and want it to be a better place?
Or do you really prefer the “oh I love Indonesia, it’s so perfect, Pram is just a great writer, and I’m having a collection for tsunami victims next month (and I love tempe)” type of bullshit?
Cheers.
coz they sound miserable. i am so happy if they're not.
you can be critical all the way you want, i believe i have my share of being critical of this place.
it's just many expats - on the internet - sound like they're not enjoying much of their life around here. then i just don't understand why they stay. Frankly, for most - i will not start any finger pointing - if they really like Indonesia so much, then i failed to understand why, because so far they're only whinge about it. You can even hate Indonesia, what the fuck do i care.
the thing is, i stay here, because i like it here. and i do try to get the things i like about it. I can't see why people insist on staying if this is such a miserable place, that's all.
i've stated no preference, i prefer people to have good critical thinking, get their facts straight and get their arguments proper.
you wanna get nasty and get personal, feel free.
what's with the tempe comment? you can try anything you want on me, do not bring other people around when they're not around. i'm not sure what you're trying to do, but if you're trying to get a particular someone around, then please, it's off limit. people that aren't on this thread aren't on this thread.
it's not nice and it's a cheap shot.
that's just far too personal.
why are you guys getting so jumpy all of a sudden?
indcoup, come to think of it, i probably don't know if expats are miserable, afterall, i only read their blogs.
and if you mention critical thinking, heck, just about EVERY Indonesian blogs out there are just too over critical about this country. I've heard almost no Indonesian bloggers who ever said a good thing of this country. Not those that write in English anyway, there're probably some when they speak indonesian. everybody from economists to political scientists to veteran journalists, there's an entire industry based on the faults of this country.
only these don't sound too miserable. they're just massively critical that's all.
most of us - including me - seems to be overly critical of curves and not much of other things. Just scroll down to see other posts i had this week, i know that for a fact.
miserable, you know, like they don't really live a happy life.
i have been so fucking miserable, greenstump told me to cheer up.
if you do live a happy life, then man, again, by all means, I am happy for you, you obviously don't belong to the miserable group i mentioned.
what's with the tempe comment? you can try anything you want on me, do not bring other people around when they're not around. i'm not sure what you're trying to do, but if you're trying to get a particular someone around, then please, it's off limit. people that aren't on this thread aren't on this thread.
it's not nice and it's a cheap shot.
that's just far too personal.
> Huh? what do you mean by that? Way over my head.
indcoup, can you refer me to a post you've done - not flesh related - that you would define as "critical thinking"?
i must've missed that.
luv the way you speak for the collective 'we'. Very Borg like.
too many too long comments to read thru.
why are indonesian-based expats are miserable?
wow..words-war! dope!just the way i like it. reminds me of the old days, when i was young and still really interested in arguing-reasoning-and bullsh*tin.guess am not that young anymore.
never mind me, continue! =D
PS. hi treespotter. i find this blog really intriguing.
indcoup: you're right, in that particular dept, whatever it was you think you're trying to do, you're way over your head. Don't even go there. I take that far too personally. Don't talk about someone that is not around. it's bad taste.
*arrrgggghhh*
sam: thought you're off resting? the brits perfected the art of tabloid criticism, no?
come to think of it, yeah, i'm curious to see more of this 'critical thinking' too?
machiato: i'm tired too, but i'm supposed to be the host. Why are expats here so miserable? Well, pardon me, they SOUND miserable, nag and whinge all the time. at least some do. some suspect that this is due to Indonesians being a generally racist country, i am not too sure.
But why indeed do they sound so miserable all the time is precisely the question i was asking.
zid: thanks. i do this to make me feel young again. adolescence indulgence.
thanks, do come around more often, i have porn, too, sometimes. Even Irish boobs.
"The ugly visuals of overpaid bored execs hitting on cheap asian girls were too vivid and repulsive to forget.
Sa. Hahaha! You're so fucked up by your political correctness that you think there is something wrong about a bunch of people having a good time. Get a life.
The comments are getting longer than the post about boobs or porn. I don't know what sign this is, that people can't stand talking about boobs nor porn anymore and prefer to talk more about ... errr .. what exactly are you talking about in this post? It seems that it goes all the way from Belfast to Singapore, from cheap girls to tempe ..
I don't favor (other people) boobs as I have my own, but I don't favor miserable people either. Frankly speaking, I couldn't care less for both ...
And I dislike word verification !!!
treespotter: Wow!! congrats! you must have been the talk of town... well at least around Kemang, PI... southern and some parts of central jakarta... you draw people attention... good for you!!!
personally, i like the boobs, porns, drunk-dialing, girls messing up with your head kind of posts... i never take your "serious stuff" seriously...
but still, can't help wondering why the hell the expats complained their life here... imagine having those USD income in the large number and spending in cheap IDR. if you can't stand tempe, there are many places that sell imported beef/veal/whatever in a very reasonable price... we even have starbucks in here... traffic's a mess but we're not the only one... name every big city in the world and i guarantee you the traffic...
if you hate so much being here, why come here at the first place? you've made your choices... life with the consequences... you know that every third-world countries got their own problems; why the hell come here at the first place...
life is hard when you're not home... the best way to make things work is to start enjoying things... don't complain about your kemang gf; it's your fault that you pick one of those chicks... don't complain about the maid cause their english sucks, english is nowhere near the second language here... it's good that they can speak indonesia otherwise you have to speak their local languange... don't complain that the mosque is too noisy, it's the way people celebrate their life here (and no it's not anywhere being radicals)...
if you don't like it here, why come here at the first place?
to the smut critic with brilliantly hidden ideas: can explain why did i only see the boys havin this said good time?
is it because your fellow english girls can not stay up late?
I met expat girls everywhere but in those places, what good times do you have there exactly? Care to tell us why?
Why do some of the places have signs banning particular groups of local girls from entering?
Separate establishment for wives and mistresses? that's not racism, it's separationist. discriminatory, perhaps, taste wise.
make sure you don't catch the nasties. they're tough to fix.
why not say what exactly you find twisted and convulted, then we can go back to the critical debate that you were so keen on before.
ace, why do people pick on me now?
silverlines: at this point, i do prefer people to talk of my boobs instead. internet freaks me out.
smut? porn? boobs? cheap asian babes? where? why i am not told of this?
I work with many ex pats here in Australia...alot of them are from England or New Zealand. At Christmas a few years back, a NZ friend of mine posted an email to All Orphaned Expats...a Christmas gathering so you do not feel alone!! I thought it was a great thing to do, they had a great time and did not feel all that homesick at the gathering..perhaps the next morning after their beer of choice was slowly getting out of their system :)
Sa: *TS, sorry I need to use your comment box to reply to Sa* Not only internet freaks me out, internet misunderstanding freaks me out more. And about talking about your boobs, if that could bring back the peaceful world, by all means, bring it on Baby ...
i'd experienced a delay on reading this. i've gotta say that this is one of the best posts you've ever written, T.
my following comment is not specifically directed to the writer or anyone in particular.
i feel sorry that the comments are changing shapes into a 'war'. most things one writes on his/her blog are personal. it's up to the readers how to perceive and react to them.
i'm an indonesian living in england. during my first two years here, it took me just a few seconds to express how i loooooved living in england. i'm entering my fourth year now and even i've surprise myself how my initially (and generally) positive opinions towards england turn into endless criticism. and that, with being victimised by racism buried deep down in my unconsciousness.
if you get to live long enuf in one country that is not your native, you're bound to feel shit about and love it at the same time, and perhaps at almost the same level with how you feel about your home country.
what i'm trying to say is... lighten up! chill!
T was just saying what's in his mind about expats surrounding him. he's entitled to that, isn't he?
living at any countries in the world is not worth it if being miserable is part of your daily masturbation.
"...an insult to my writing skill?" Me? Insulting your writing skill? Hah! are you getting more and more insecure or what? i remember i've told you that even if i hate you, i still love your writing. so, no doubt about it, dear!
comments= all comments here. from you, and from anybody. we can start a debate competition here! it's gonna be fun!
dinda
sometimes when *male* westerner ex-pats live in asia it's like imperialism come alive again. It's more living to your means in that sense. Suddenly they have 'money'. I've had a few friends that have done it (not indonesia though) - Japan, Vietnam, Singapore etc and they all come back with the same story - great for white men. Women? Not quite as fun.
*ignoring all the other comments*
well said T :D
Wow. I'm not sure where you're coming from on this one Tree, but it does seem to be getting personal.
I agree that few of us know you, or each other. In spite of the emails you and I have exchanged (and my Blogger template still seems to be f***ing up in spite of your help) I still wonder which side of the expat fence you're on.
All I'd ask is that all lay off the personal, sit, or lay, back, take a deep breath and ease up. All kost of us want to do is urvive and, perhaps, leave the world a better place than the one we inherited.
Other than a difficulty in understanding what brought your rant on today, I can't see any attacks on your integrity, so relax. Man.
I agree with both Oigal and Indcoup: we're generally happy here, we dislike the bule label that follows us around because it is ignorant and, thereby, racist, and, as I've oft stated before, do not imagine that the majority of expats here have dollar salaries, live in expat enclaves or apartments or otherwise 'exploit' the natives.
Write to me offline if you feel able to tell me where you fit in as I detect a sense of alienation in this post and it's making us feel uncomfortable.
Peace, Bro'.
i agree, them distractions were not exactly relevant to the points raised by our host here. we're all guest afterall, supposed to behave... ahemm, my sincerest apologies.
where's that lemony guy anyhow? how come he disappeared all of a sudden?
ace, you didn't get nasty after the tempe business? he probably doesn't know what he was talking about anyway. c'mon, thought what happen on the blog stay on the blog?
i can handle him seen enough horny luddites in california, worse here. we should go visit their natural habitat next week and we can go people watching, promise to take me?
all in all, good post. i'm signing off unless Mr. Boy London returned.
*tagging silverlines for girly talk*
duh! I'm late! I'm late! can i still do?
i've no idea where the nasty words come from, but i agree with Ace, i can't see where in the post that he accused anything bad of the expats except that expats sound miserable.
i will say let the Internet be the judge of that, just read the nominee for asia blog thingy and very little of them sound happy (the expat ones). critical is different to miserable, you can be critical without being miserable, i believe most of us can tell. we're grown ups right? (not convinced)
as for the racist tone, c'mon, how do American in Indonesia accuse the locals to be racist? i find the notion strange, too. noticed and different, of course, just like Nadine would turn head when she walk in Plasa Senayan. She is different. does't mean that people are racist.
it reminds me of that part of Lethal Weapon where Mel was dropped naked in Harlem or bronx or wherever.
why can't expats just cheer up, make us all happy. LOL.
I hope my boss read this.
that was so close to cheap asian birds. jakarta sounds too dangerous with all of you ill tempered group. i'm doing bankok instead.
i replied to the last comments in the next post. this is too long.
i am actually indonesian expats.
No , no , i am not foreigner living in indonesia BUT i am indonesian professional working in US. I am Indonesian expat in US.
I feel the same with this blogger.
Good for you buddy.
Aren't we all "expats" drifting away in this ephemeral terrain called Earth?
Anyway, congratulations to those expecting. Hope you'll pass the first trimester with much ease :)
So sad to read all of these. You guys should be happy wherever you live. I bet you will be complaining when you go home too.
If you mingle with local, you'll probably enjoy your life better. You will feel alienated, if you don't even speak their language, right?
no matter what, love your article. hope to comment more. anyway, I don't read other comments
T/S
Overall I think you are right. There is a lot of unnecessary whinging among the expat community.
Indonesia is a place where a lot of people and organizations cannot get their act together for one reason or another. It is because of this that expats like us are here. If they realize this many expats would stop complaining.
But when one mentions expats, one usually imagines the "bule" expat. There are many other Asian and Arabian expats there. They do not seem to complain and whinge too much about life here.
I have a few theories why that is but would like to hear others' opinions.
wow, wot a hornets nest stirred up here!
if you're after negativity check out thai message boards or the Bangkok Post letters page, Thailand probably has more bitter expats per square inch than bars.
I've done in this expat lark in a few countries in Asia and every place has its foibles and frolics, indonesia is no exception but i do agree whingin about them does grate after awhile.
saying that if i was to have done a blog about my time in dhaka you d think i was ready to kill someone but i loved it there. day to day experiences can be frustrating or repetitive but they don t necessarily detract from the whole experience!
Hey...
Strong post :)
As an Indonesian expat living in Malaysia (well, kind of... an internship actually), I can see what you see...
Can't agree more :)
PS. I do believe that forks are evolved from spoons ^^ (do you believe me?)
TS,
I found this page by following A Fatih Syuhud recommendation. He's right; this is so insightful, yet intriguing. Will try to keep up with another article of yours! Btw, I also found that the overlength commentaries were exciting, though some were also quite provoking and uhh, ..simply craps, if I may say. But sure everyone for their own opinions, and I believe that's what made this post more interesting (smilling)
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