Monday, September 24, 2007

Open Response to Gary, Riccardo and Other Penguins

Two years ago or so, the Jaksa/Jakchat crowd are the only expat groups blogging and they formed the larger voice of the online expat bloggers community. And therefore suggested that the expat blogger community was disproportionally haunted by people with no manners and bad intellects. It was a little scary then.

Within two years, I got to know so many other great people and these assholes got demoted to where assholes usually belong: down there. Not to be shown in public, unless you’re attached to a Jessica Biel.

Ok, most of you wouldn’t really get what I’m talking about here since the remarks I’m referring to was said in a (not so) private email thread last week involving some 10+ mostly expat bloggers, many of these claimed to be speaking in behalf of the rest of the foreigners community in Indonesia, which I know is far, far away from the truth. It was a casual discussion that turned sour at some point. And then it got worse. Some people are simply not capable of having a civilized debate.

Let me start by having my definition clear here:

Bloggers: anyone who keeps a blog and keep it updated.
Indonesian Bloggers: not at all clear. I’m a self proclaimed smut blogger, but I could’ve been an Indonesian one. Who knows. The definition of the precise definition was what brought us into this mess.
Assholes: the people I will mention by name in this post. You know who you are.

I get riled up with this because I used to think of this as a joke, but it gets less funny every time. When people like you lot - who claimed to be “Indonesian link to the outside world” - dared to use words like segregation, color profiling and race discrimination when you talk about Indonesia in three paragraphs, then you get my attention.

Using big words doesn’t make you look smart. It only makes you articulated idiots.
That sets you apart only from the garden variety idiots.

It’s nonsensical, hypocritical and most of all damaging to campaign for your delusional rants when you’re supposed to represent qualified voices from inside the country. We’ve enough problems as it is with this country with all the other idiots running it and the travel warnings and the plane crashes and all.

It’s damaging because it’s not real. IIt detracts attention from real problems. It feeds only the little serpents breeding in your puny heads.

Guys, - Rich, Gary, Patung, Terry and all your other ilks – you need to grow up. You guys are old and graying and growing up is not something you would do best, but it’s worth a try, really. It’ll make you a happier life.

You’re guests in foreign land, you will always be. That’s just how society is formed within mankind. You could be a guest in a foreign country or you could be a guest in a social function and you could well be a guest in any community. We all are, always. FYI, that is how interaction and communication and social assimilations generally happen.

Interactions allow for exchanges of ideas and eventually exchanges of cultures and social habits. Sometimes for the better, occasionally for the worst but most often, simply for the lowest common denominators. Strangely enough, that’s how society evolves.

When they fail to interact in civilized manners, they invade and slaughter and rape and pillage and war happens. Ask the Mongols.

During these interactions, you will be most noticeable for things you are not. Which makes you a guest by definition. Sometimes, it’s your skin colour, your passport colour, the funny language you speak and occasionally the thickness of your skull. Again, ask the Mongols.

This is normal unless you’re living in Smurf country where everyone is blue and the only blonde in the crowd belongs to all.

Visa and international travels are problems commonly experienced by all six billion of earth population. Ask anyone who got on a plane recently, it’s generally a shitty experience. If anything at all, people with white skin and blonde hair are less likely to be stripped down in the custom. So let’s just shut up about it. The more obnoxious you get, the less incentive Indonesians have of letting your kinds in. I, for one, begin to wonder why we didn’t screen visiting expats based on their intellectual perversions. We really shouldn’t accept society rejects.

Oh, gosh, I could go on attempting to be rational for another ten pages, I know you would just fail to comprehend. I tried before, I know. I hesitated to believe that you’re incapable of rational thinking, but perhaps some of us are simply further evolutionary blessed than others.

Let me just address Gary Dean from Okusi Associates/JakChat fame directly (I’m quoting verbatim from his email to the list). He has questions:

And here we are, demanding our "rights" to be heard in a nation still coming to terms with the 19th century, never mind the 21st.

Anyway, in the spirit of contrariness and contradiction, I would like to remind ourselves of some Uncomfortable Truths:

1. We've organised a number of Blogfests in the past. All these events have been ostensibly open to all. However, I cannot recall even one Indonesian blogger (ie, citizen) showing up. (I stand corrected should I be wrong about this; but as I am usually the only sober person in attendance, I feel my recollection is not mistaken.)

Why is this so?

ANSWER

Since I never attended either, this is just a wild guess, maybe because it never sounded like fun to spend an evening with you drunkard lot in the alleys of Jaksa preying on gender neutral flirties? Boy, you don't even sound like fun!

Frankly speaking, you couldn’t pay me to come. It’s very easy to imagine why other people won’t come. The fact that they didn’t come should tell you something.

Uh, maybe it won’t. Put this way: You come. I don't. We don't. Why? You suck! Get it? Tarzan come, Jane go!


2. The Jakchat site suffers a similar problem. Despite all our efforts, we have not managed to attract and retain Indonesian male users. At best, they last 2 days and then we never see them again.

Why is this so?

ANSWERS:
Because that message board you run (and all the blogs ran and managed by your colleagues) are mere masturbatory scams to run your porno swaps and trick the said gender neutral flirties. Most Indonesians see thru that. Actually, most people see that.

It’s a racist, bigoted, self appreciating forum for the apeminded.

If you think you tried hard, obviously it wasn't good enough. Maybe it’s time to try another profession (hint: professional jogger is in high demand).

The short answer is because it's a shit site ran by shitty people. Just because we're on the net doesn't mean we're dumb: Rule #3 in building internet site: don't be shitty.


Most of us here are Western liberals, adopting often combative debating styles. This freaks out most Asians, regardless of their Westernised veneers. We blow them away before they even realise what's going on. Just as, I imagine, Ong and Treespotter have been blown away by the way we have discussed this matter, irrespective of the merits of our arguments.

Perhaps Indonesians need space to develop into social critics without the intimidating presence of Westerners?



Some other thoughts:

I find some of the terminology being used highly problematic, in particular, the words "blogger" and "expat".

I feel the word blogger could much better be replaced with the term "alternative media"; which is to say, alternative news and opinion; non-mainstream media.

The word expat is a quaint hangover from colonial times; better replaced with "foreign resident".

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Just for the records, I posted the very first mail suggesting that there should be any status difference given to Indonesian/Non Indonesian bloggers, in fact speaking your concern. I was scared that if any of you were let to speak out loud, you show people how insane you really were and it will scare other people. Me and Ong aren’t on the same side on this. We merely agreed that you are indeed an asshole. And Rich, too.

You’re not intimidating. You’re amazing. You asked for combative debate, here I present myself. I’ll take up this silly word exchange with you anytime. Hell, I could do it to waste time in the traffic. Western liberals value my ass. I'll be proud if you could tell left from right.

As for the suggestions for new words, shut the fuck up already, you’re not Al Gore, you don't get to make new words. I seconded the suggestions, however, that we change the word ‘expats’ to ‘penguins’ at least when we specifically refer to you lot.

You lot the Jaksa crowd are no longer representing the expat community in this country. You don’t deserve it. Keep behaving like you’re the warriors of the Aryan Nations and maybe someone will finally get it someday. You guys can go own comparing your tecnorati ranking and what not, sounds a lot like penis envy to me.

I’m just happy that in the last two years of blogging, I’ve seen so many other expats writing and participating and doing other things. I know too many others who were just too happy enjoying the wild Jakarta nightlife and picking cheap wines and busy spending their husbands money on tennis lessons. They whine of traffic and of maids and of stupid public officials, which is what we all whine about. Welcome home.

Adios, guys. Please do shut the fuck up and resign to obscurity in peace. Cover your asses, it ain’t pretty.

PS: This is a regular feature of Treespotter. You guys have trolls. My trolls have characters and ideologies. You need to deal with them in full.

29 comments:

KuKuKaChu said...

just some minor corrections: i'm not an expat; i'm an indonesian resident. i emigrated here 13 years ago. i am pretty much a teetottler.

that is all. please carry on.

LavanyaLea said...

don't bother arguing with idiots, they lower u down to their level and beat u with their experience!

wicak said...

@treespotter: dude, you lost me here "Just for the records, I posted the very first mail suggesting that there should be any status difference given to Indonesian/Non Indonesian bloggers, in fact speaking your concern."

should or should not?

@lavanyalea: hey, i use that tagline too!

Anonymous said...

Can someone give me details on how to get onto the site where they are doing the Porn Swapping.

Anonymous said...

yeah: why change your mind tree?

Indication of schizophrenic personality?

KuKuKaChu said...

for more penguin antics!

Penguin Posts.. All you ever needed to know about being a Penguin in Jakarta

http://www.jakchat.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/61994/Main/4529/

treespotter said...

correction, yes, i mean should not. I never changed my position at any point.

I still don't think there should be any difference where that 'thing' is concerned, but it's not even my event, so i can't say

Anonymous said...

As there are many references (earlier mails) missing from this post, I think in fairness that much of what has been written cannot be viewed objectively.

Out of interest, I clicked onto the truncated link for Jakchat and actually found the Penguin posts amusing.

It is possible you may have shot yourself in the foot with this post.

Anonymous said...

As there are many references (earlier mails) missing from this post, I think in fairness that much of what has been written cannot be viewed objectively.

Out of interest, I clicked onto the truncated link for Jakchat and actually found the Penguin posts amusing.

It is possible you may have shot yourself in the foot with this post.

treespotter said...

I think Gary and his ilks were being perfectly clear. To post their entire rants is just to waste space.

I love their penguin picture page, it's funny, too.

and please, use a name. I don't respond to anonymous comment.

Reveller said...

Actually I quite like the idea of being called a penguin. They're rather handsome, quite intelligent and highly sociable birds that have adapted superbly to their very harsh environment.

I just love the stereotype of us expat (sorry, penguin) bloggers as drunkards. One of us is teetotal, and at our last blogfest I drank the enormous quantity of two Bintangs - which of course left me rolling senseless in the gutter. None of us was even remotely inebriated, not the tiniest bit tipsy. What we did enjoy was witty conversation, a good laugh (at ourselves rather than other people), swapped news and information about our blogging activities, and complained at length about the terrible Jakarta Internet providers.

treespotter said...

Someone somewhere previously warned me against engaging with you guys. they said it's really hard to get a message thru.

I don't stereotype expat bloggers. I stereotype you lot. Your group. Get it?

I love penguins, too. i think they're lovely creature.

You guys are just impressive creature with such amazing abilities. Obviously you convinced yourself to just bullshit your way out of any situation. Outside your habitat though, you lose your credentials. Your collague Gary explicitly recalled that he was the only sober person around.

Put it this way, let's round everyone up and let everyone vouched that they were indeed the only sober person in attendance, then i believe what you say.

LOL

you're funny too. I didn't think you were, but now i think you are.

funny.

KuKuKaChu said...

> Your collague Gary explicitly recalled that he was the only sober person around.

teetottlers are inveterate liars.

trust me. i'm a sociologist. i know these things.

Unspun said...

Reveller's idea of a blogfest: A dozen or so sorry, unsuccessful expats, resentful that life is passing them by without them having achieved much. Sitting at a Jalan Jaksa dive because they are too cheap to go to somewhere classier.

Getting drunk, masturbating each other and getting high by how clever they perceive themselves to be.Full of inverse snobbery and righteous indignation.

So sad. So pathetic.

Like Tree, this is not a criticism of expats - only this particular clique of expats.

treespotter said...

kuku: yes, i'm learning the same by experience.

unspun: it sounds like fun. For some.

Reveller said...

Unspun is the undisputed master of the unsuported generalization, a fantastic fabricator of facts, and a moaning minnie about things (and people) he has no knowledge of whatsoever.

Jakartass said...

I agree with Lavanyalea's comment, but here goes anyway:

There are bizarre attitudes on display here from 'guests' in this country.

Why should long-term residents be a mere sub-stratum to be stereotyped. Supporting and raising families, and engaging in local communities is to be criticised. Why?

Having successful relationships is to be a target of scorn?

And what is cliquish about that?

Such condescension, and from a Malaysian too. Ong, didn't you lot learn anything - like good manners and being respectful to your hosts - from your colonial overlords?

Or perhaps you did.

After all, only Mad Dogs And Englishmen
go out in the midday sun.

"The natives grieve when the white men leave their huts,
Because they're obviously, definitely nuts!"

Anonymous said...

Reveller said...
Unspun is the undisputed master of the unsuported generalization, a fantastic fabricator of facts, and a moaning minnie about things (and people) he has no knowledge of whatsoever.

I've read very little of what Unspun has written, my life is much too interesting to get my sempak in a twist over the musings of someone who I don't know and probably never will.

He has so much in common with Riccardo and they probably will never realise how well they would get on together.

Anonymous said...

KuKuKaChu said...
just some minor corrections: i'm not an expat; i'm an indonesian resident. i emigrated here 13 years ago. i am pretty much a teetottler.

that is all. please carry on.

and some minor observations to follow - congratulations on your residency! I'm afraid however that you will always be a guest, just like the rest of us, as you know the Balinese see the Javanese as guests, the Javanese see Sumatrans as guests and so on.

As for being not drinking, I'm not sure as to the relevence between this and not talking rubbish (though I am not for one moment suggesting that you do talk rubbish). Alcohol only brings forth what sobriety hides, an asshole sober will never change and neither will a drunk. The only thing to be said is that you stand more chance of quickly discovering the inner truth about a person who takes a little drink now and again.

that is all too, please also carry on.

Unspun said...

@ Reveller. Thanks but the compliment really does go to Jakartass. I am not worthy compared to his powers of obfuscation and argument by diversion. To wit:

"Why should long-term residents be a mere sub-stratum to be stereotyped. Supporting and raising families, and engaging in local communities is to be criticised. Why?"


Not all long-term residents? This particular group of long term residents.

Supporting and raising families? What's that got to do with the price of fish?

Engaging in local communities? Like 10 inebriated and one profesed teetotler white expat in a Jalan Jaksa pub? I guess its some sort of a local community. What about the uncomfortable truth about how those gatherings failed to attract a single Indonesian? Surely they can be considered locals.

@Anonymous: Either you front up with your identity or continue to be ignored.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous: Either you front up with your identity or continue to be ignored.

Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:18:00 PM

I'm a bit puzzled with this requirement, even if I told you my name and DOB it wouldn't mean anything to you, in fact if I fell out of my tree and landed on your head it wouldn't help nor would it dilute or concentrate my somewhat disjointed and dawdling observations.

as James T Kirk said "I come in peace and mean you no harm" ,just before he lasered them

riccardo said...

Would you people please learn how to spell T-E-E-T-O-T-A-L-E-R !

Teetotaler
Teetotalism
Teetotalist

Capt.M said...

riccardo กล่าวว่า...
Would you people please learn how to spell T-E-E-T-O-T-A-L-E-R !

Teetotaler
Teetotalism
Teetotalist

Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:46:00 PM

Now this one is me -


Bollocks

"In Nova Scotia and Ireland, as well as among those who are from those places, it is commonly spelled "tea-totaller" and refers to a love for tea over coffee, alcohol, or other strong beverages and bears no stigma among drinkers."

And Teetotaler may be spealt T-E-E-T-O-T-A-L-L-E-R so stick that right up your A-R-S=E.

Tired_dude said...

IN THE BLUE CORNER: natives who thinks they're so smart because of their western education

AND IN THE RED CORNER: bunch of westerners dumb enough to lives in indonesia

What a beautiful irony. Nice match though

Anonymous said...

The problem really is why bule move to Indonesia in the first place. Some are indeed expats, sent to foreign climes by employers. They keep their heads down, and go home when the sentence is done. There are a couple of them on jakchat. They think they are big fish, mainly because they are in a small pond. Good Expats go to New York on a package, the unwanted go to Jakarta.

Why are the rest there? Two reasons:

Firstly they are just about unemployable anywhere out of Asia, where being White has some small advantage. So they get a job teaching English (a job for which they have zero qualifications) or open a small business trying to survive on scraps from the real expats. Captain Calamity, Kuku, Ric, and the rest fall into this group.

The second reason is women. Access to women who wouldn’t look at these guys if they were in the West. A bule with a foreign accent, passport and slightly better income than a Bajaj driver is a good catch for a girl like Shesca, Lulu, Just, Ruby et al.

I really wouldn’t give much credence to the people on Jakchat. They are just bottom feeders in the murky pond of life.

Colonel Flashman said...

A common theme I notice with long term expats is this need to brag about how long they have been here. Its a sort of plonker contest to see who has suffered the most:

“Ahhhhh - you should have been in Jakarta in the 80s’

“No - you should have been here in the 70s.”

And then we get the regional braggarts:

Ahhhhhh – Jakarta is for the wimps, you should be where I am in Jogja”

They try to act like intrepid explorers, ignoring the fact that half of the word has tramped through the neighbourhood on holidays.

Then you get Kuku with his pathetic “I’m not an expat, I am almost Indonesian”. He has a lily white arse and an Australian passport, two things that disqualify him for a start, despite his protests. If he was serious he could pick up Indonesian citizenship (he has more than enough wives and children to qualify).

And finally we get into language based pissing contests, the Captain Mainwaring specialty. Who really cares, it isnt Public School Latin or Oxbridge Greek is it.

Jesus Lads, you didn’t cut you way through impenetrable terrain fighting swamp sickness and headhunters. You got off a fucking airoplane and booked into a hotel.

What tossers. You should have been with me in the 1845 expedition to Umboto Gorge. Now THAT was something……

Simon Pitchforth said...

this is all tremendous fun. Did the pesta blog go off alright at that paragon venue of cultural sophistication The Hard Rock Cafe no less?

treespotter said...

hi simon, no i didn't go, so i can't say.

the writer said...

Ah, I just saw this post.

Apparently this particular person, whom you mentioned in your post and the same one who repeatedly posted comments here, had the same problem with his previous workplace a.k.a mine. He's widely known as the prick.