Monday, March 24, 2008

on Polygamy in Indonesia: Where's the Harm?

Following up from the last post. On Islam and the laws and stuff, this is just a backgrounder and by no means complete, but should be a good starting point. Do share if you have anything to add.

Polygamy is an option left open by the scripture – a man may have up to four wives – but with very detailed (and limiting) conditions.

The Quran specifically calls for equal time and responsibility, designed mostly for nomadic tribes travelling desserts months at a time. Most Moslem scholars agreed the Text should be interpreted to discourage: it is practically impossible to fulfil the stated conditions. This is an opinion shared by many scholars across history.

Tabari, a prominent commentator of the Quran from eighth century, quoted several interpretations of (4:3) with an unequivocal approval to the rights of women: “…you must apply the same careful consideration to the interests and rights of the women you intend to marry.” It was clear that while the historical context was relevant, the detailed conditions apply regardless.
The verse he was agreeing to, directly from the Quran, (4:3), says: “If you have reason to fear that you might not be able to treat them with equal fairness, then [marry only] one,” making plural marriages possible only in exceptional cases under exceptional circumstances.
The Book then moved on in (4:20) to indicate clear preferences for monogamous marriages and explicit in not allowing mistresses and concubine “…and not taking unto themselves secret love-companions.” (4:25). Similar verses are found everywhere else.

In fact, when celebrity scholars Aa Gym took a second wife, his religious credentials plummeted and his career inflamed. This was solely a public response, Aa Gym didn’t break any law and he obtained full, public consent from the first wife, there was no institution grounds to ‘impeach’ him (secular or otherwise).
Yet, the debate over Aa Gym’s second marriage took to an unreal, morally obsessed level Indonesia just as America did in the Lewinsky affair. Most Indonesians would’ve loved to try him with perjury; except clerics and politicians here are protected under the new and extended executive power privileges.

Islam defines matrimony as a social contract and not an ecclesial ceremony: one needs only the consent of both the groom and the bride to be married, provided that both are from suitable ages, requiring neither clerics nor secular officials to officiate.

It is clearly sanctioned by the religion, but marriage is a consensual act of an individual, an agreement to enter a mutual contract. Some schools of Islam required no witnesses so long as both parties agreed and of suitable age. Matrimony is to be respected by the parties involved so long as they remain within the acceptable bounds of society. Islam arrived in the pre-existing societies of Arabian tribes (commonly practicing polygamy) and introduced only the social safeguards: rules on incest, slavery, maximum number of wives, adulteries, etc.

In religious institutions, house rules apply. Jews are notoriously picky about sanctioning inter-religions matrimony. Indonesian law mandates the couple must be of the same religion. Iran has the same and requires two witnesses for a divorce. Indonesian wedding requires two witnesses and a cleric. Iran divorce system heavily favours women and Indonesian does men. Both prohibit polygamy without consent of the other wife. In neither case, polygamy violated no fundamental rights.

Notice that the matrimony laws assume an expanded role in institutionalised religion (as opposed to textual traditions), mostly the product of a secular state in assuming its administrative duty. England has a beth din court to deal with Orthodox Jew marriages and the Archbishop of Canterbury recently floated the idea for more religious courts.
Israel, Iran and Indonesia all keep separate court systems to deal with matrimony, funeral and dietary in a workable compromise to comfort the faith believers. In Indonesia, the second marriage requires a court permission.
Both Indonesia and Israel are rabidly secular democracies with strong influences of the conservative.

It would be too easy to then point at the flaws at the enforcement level – that is since the gov’t ratified marriage as law; it is therefore mandated to enforce it (as Amitz argued previously). This is misleading.

Marriage is a civil matter in most jurisdictions (as opposed to penal): the state really only take sides if there is a complaint. A casual observation would indicate that the perceived failures of enforcements happen only in jurisdictions with dysfunctional civil laws. The other extreme illustrates the problems with tort laws in the litigious US legal system. (note: perhaps we could file a class action in behalf of second wives?)

An argument to say that either parties was disfavoured by the law merely reflects on bigger issues endemic in the civil court; not a discriminatory problem exclusively caused by the faults in a particularly narrow area of polygamy. Interestingly, religious courts in Indonesia actually perform better than its secular counterparts (in measures such as transparency, accountability, court efficiency, etc).

As any legal scholars would tell you, criminalizing a civil matter is a headache, even within the limited boundary of a legal argument. It calls for an imminent harm to society, which is not exactly apparent in the case of polygamy in Indonesia.

So I’m back to my initial question, what exactly is the harm of polygamy and, well, why should we move to ban polygamy?.

Of course, there is always a question whether the government really should be getting involved in the marriage business in the first place. Why not abolish marriage altogether, leave it for the temples to take care.

Is it time to make a case for abolition of marriage? Boy, would I love to tackle that one, but that’s an issue for another day.

17 comments:

Amitz Sekali said...

It would be too easy to then point at the flaws at the enforcement level – that is since the gov’t ratified marriage as law; it is therefore mandated to enforce it

hmm, I definitely have the wrong choice of word (again). What I meant is that even if a complaint is filed, the judgement will be bias unfairly towards the advantage of male IMHO. Note I'm not saying the justice system of matrimonial law is bad or unprofessional (probably some jurisdictions are, but it's not important for this discussion). I'm saying that the cause is more of a difference of what constitutes common sense. An example, as I mentioned here,
is how being a house wife (a common occurence) is valued less in deciding possession split, which is arguably correct when using Indonesian's common sense.

btw, I must say that I don't really know what the reality of a "divorce court" in Indonesia. I'm pretty much guessing here on what the current state of Indonesia's justice system. So correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyway, this polygamy issue hit so many complicated issues that I'd rather be an observer. It's too taxing :-).

dHani said...

Ace,
i thought you don't agree to polygamy, what changed your mind?

i must say, that there IS indeed NO HARM in polygamy as long as all parties don't mind. trouble being is that some men sneaking behind their wives back, picking other women... that's when polygamy goes bad.

the key factor is JUST. and that is very contextual and personal. what's fair for some is different that the others and you shouldn't really judge ppl.

I see and experience myself where polygamy works very well... husband with wives and kids that sit together over meals, celebration, wedding without such fuss.

and Koran (can't believe treespotter citing Koran... something must happened?) have defined and determined basic rules of husband and wife's rights and obligation.

anyway, can't see anything wrong with polygamy. as long as it's done accordingly. and whatever works for someone, might not be suitable for someone else.

treespotter said...

amitz: you're saying that it's gender biased but not questioning the professionalism of the court?

a house wife almost always get less, in any jurisdiction regardless. it's just the way the law works.

dhani: i'm disagree to polygamous relationships, i don't think it could ever work. It doesn't work for me and i know it won't, but it might work for others. indeed, as you mentioned, i know many family in happy polygamous relationships.

I do have copies of the koran in at least three different languages. and read them from time to time :)

Amitz Sekali said...

tree,

Specifically, I believe Indonesian court tends to seriously undermine opportunity cost of being a wife, where I consider a valid average opportunity cost to be average discounted income of woman in similar educational level and capital amount.

Such undercalculation can't be all attributed to unprofessionalism. It's more of a function of cultural differences.

One factor is an effect of collectivism. Woman's status strongly influenced by her group's status which reflects her husband status. Whatever financial achievement she made will also be attributed to her husband influence (which is difficult to argue) thus her husband is perceived to deserve more money than what's fair.

Another factor is inflexibility of role. Despite all average opportunity cost (of being a working woman) we calculate, judge will consider it to be lower because the woman isn't really expected to do all those possibilities.

Another factor is perception of causes of happiness. Woman is perceived to require less money than man to be happy thus maximizing happiness of both ex-husband and ex-wife is done by giving more money to male in exchange of other concessions by male.

oigal said...

Bugger..I wish you were my ex's lawyer

Amitz Sekali said...

Oigal,

I am not a lawyer but if you need any psychological "assistance" for relationship/business/working across culture, just drop me a note :-).

Tree,

My point is, even if a judge is being logical, the common sense standard is different such that the value of being a housewife in Indonesia is considered far less than in some countries, like US or Australia for example. Feel free to correct me.

treespotter said...

amitz: thanks for the extensive comment. You've some valid arguments to suspect that there's a bias in the court system, i'm agreeing to that, i think.

However, i still don't see how this issue is exclusively limited to practices of polygamy?

there's always an inherent bias in any arbitrage system - even business ones. it's just the system's fault and you've to live with that. or fix it.

but since the faults are not caused by a defect in a narrow part of the law, i failed to see how this bias lead to an argument for banning polygamy? The problems you're highlighting obviously took a much different magnitude in dealing with marriage in general (not just polygamy), why are you not proposing to ban marriage altogether, since courts can't be fair in conducting divorces?

Amitz Sekali said...

Tree,

As of right now, I actually still don't believe that polygamy should be banned. I also can't find any strong argument for banning polygamy either. I was carried away in talking about woman's position in a marriage :-).

If I were forced to argue for banning polygamy, I think there are probably some things involving population growth, or survivability of a culture where polygamy is common occurence, that may support a ban of polygamy. Probably..

treespotter said...

ahemmm.....

we should probably discuss how to abolish marriage.

anyone up for that?

Miss Lai Lai said...

This is too much for me. Give me the funny post dude..
having said that, as long as you guys get satisfactions from all this debate..then good.

Now my two cents

I think Polygamy is okay when the parties involved don't mind. At the end of the day, just consider whether all actions will have any harmful effect (physical and feelings).

At the end of the day...just be happy, and make sure u don't hurt anyone along the way. Life should be simple people..

serenity said...
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serenity said...

I think this post is not about questioning what's the harm, but more to convincing others that there's no harm. The truth is it is harmful as it is hurting other people (specially the women) - but they say ignorance is a bliss - and talking to an ignorant person is a waste of time cos they will not listen...

pia said...

Aa Gym had full, public consent from his first wife? I'd say it was more like a public, pasrah, what-else-could-I-do-to-stop-him consent.

treespotter said...

miss lai: Don't worry, i'll get back with the funnies.

serenity: with all due respect, the women weren't exactly slaves, they're can ask for divorce, or refuse, or whatever. It's not coercion. How do you know they're being hurt? i know many who weren't.

pia: if i am not mistaken, the wife held a press conference.

For the record, i don't believe in polygamy,i don't think it works. i am not at all advising anybody to take a second wife. As far as i am concerned, one wife was a handful already. don't need anymore. I just want to know if the perceived harm of polygamy is simply a sentimental value or there's really something happening.

Harry said...

Treespotter reading Quran :) no end of surprises on this blog, what's next ?
And I think your insight on this topic is way more robust than mine. But here's my 2 rupiah anyway.

There will always be harm in pretty much everything. That's life. Including in polygamy.

However, we need to see something as a whole to judge it properly. Not as pieces.

Treespotter is correct when saying that while Islam allows polygamy, there are rules & conditions for that.
Muhammad is an example, most of his wives are disadvantaged women (fallen royal, slave, one was so ugly no men in Medina would marry her - Muhammad then married her to teach others to avoid valueing external beauty too much, etc)

Also even when we think it would be painful for the women involved, amazingly, there are happy polygamous marriages.
I guess it's all in your head.

And no, I'm not planning to have another wife. I'd rather have 11 children then 2 wives, he he.

Anonymous said...

Polygamy, (not counting few exceptions), is extremely harmful for Indonesian culture, as well as for country's genuine religion and environment. It is commonly justified by example of Mohammad, yes... Few words must be said about this leader... Spiritual energy, that is called by some Kundalini, is present in Man in lowest energy center (Muladhara chakra). The purpose of spirituality is to awaken Kundalini and to force it travel up - through spine - until the exit, which is at top of one's head (Sahasrara chakra)... However, this spiritual development becomes virtually impossible for any person, who wastes his/her spiritual energy through lower channel (during sexual acts). Ask me for details through e-mail: new_jalsomino@yahoo.com
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Cheers,
Alex

treespotter said...

the comments on this post is always the most fun to read :D